Thanks tatemono.
Please point me to the training you mention - “Doing the training of a landlord association”.
Thank you
Thanks tatemono.
Please point me to the training you mention - “Doing the training of a landlord association”.
Thank you
Ray12,
Thanks fot your useful comments. Yes, I shall certainly report back after the elec visit on Thursday.
And thanks for the heads up to stress a 5-year EICR, likliehood of remedial repairs, and then the "‘satisfactory’ EICR " required.
Best
Thanks again David,
I’m replying to you , as your comments are usefuyl and not sarcastic ![]()
As per my original post, yes, I am required under new local licensing laws and RRA to get licensed.
My point about not abiding to rules, that I didnt sign up to. Perhaps this makes my view clearer… Likely these new local licensing laws are being implemented because the Government and local authorities know there were many landlords like me were not complying with laws eg EICR certificates. So they’ve introduced the new laws to “mop up” landlords like me who are not compliant. So to fine landlords retrospectively who come forward now in good faith, with all good intentions to become compliant , doesn’t make sense to me, nor does it seem fair. This would surely deter others from getting licenced?!?
All motor license-holders DO sign up to a speed limit on the roads. So I don’t agree with your anology.
Well 2 others agreed…AS a landlord/lady you should have been aware of your elec, requirements those 5 or so years ago. Show me where when I got my driving licence 55 years ago I signed a doccument agreeing to keep to the speed limits
Your driving license means you are required to know the laws, no matter how long ago you got one.
so you are required to know the landlord laws. Exactly the same comparison. No matter how long ago you became one
Hi @Alison41
If its a modern fuse box (metal casing in a cream colour) you should likely be compliant to the sparkies satisfaction only because that indicates its a fairly new installation, but they have a habit of finding non-conformaties to up to date regulations, the18th, when taking off switch covers, lighting pendants and socket boxes et al - its their job.
Here’s where things get technical - lack of RCD protection fuses on the fuse box, ceiling downlighters badly wired in the past and a miriad of other possible reasons for sparky to give a C1 or C2 code on his observations report which is an ‘installation unsatisfactory until fixed/ corrected’. Hopefully you will get no codes of maybe a few C3 codes which are ‘currently a satisactory installation but with items that could benefit from improvement’ - you could have the items upgraded dependant on cost and advice from sparky and his availability for the work involved.
C1, C2 and INF codes need fixing immediately before a ‘satisfactory’ report can be issued.
If its a plastic fuse box casing all bets are off because that could have been installed anytime between about 1980 and 2015 and sparkies dont like’em any more. Although they are still compliant if deemed safe at the moment.
Being a rental property sparkies are very vigilant for current and future possible risks, mainly fire and electrucution risks to tenants.
Hope I have not bamboozled you with gobbledegook or repeated the obvious.
Best
@Alison41 you are right that some of the purpose of the RRA is to re-inforce existing requirements and also make enforcement easier for councils - who are getting extra funding and able to give bigger fines than previously.
I too would ‘hope’ that councils will indeed take account of circumstances when dealing with LLs and not retrospectively fine LLs making effort to remedy by getting requirements done speedily. The prospect of a fine tho is an encouragement.
In any case council fines can be appealed (both decisions to issue and the amount) eg for RRA fines. But they do have to consider deterrence effects and best interests of tenant see eg extract below
Source: GOV.UK Civil penalties under the Renters' Rights Act 2025 and other housing legislation - GOV.UK
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There is no expectation that local housing authorities take informal steps to address the breach or offence, for example by issuing warning letters, prior to taking formal action. Formal action includes issuing a statutory notice, such as an improvement notice, issuing a civil penalty notice or commencing prosecution proceedings.
In determining what steps to take to address the breach or offence, local housing authorities should take account of the need for effective deterrence and punishment and what is in the best interests of tenants. Local housing authorities need to promptly follow up any actions to determine whether the non-compliance has ceased.
Where any steps to end the non-compliance have failed to do so and the local housing authority is satisfied that the necessary evidential threshold is reached and proceeding is in the public interest, it must issue a civil penalty notice or start prosecution proceedings. Where it is not possible to remove the non-compliance because for example tenants have already been illegally evicted from their home, the local housing authority must issue a civil penalty notice or start prosecution proceedings if it is satisfied that the necessary evidential threshold has been reached and proceeding is in the public interest.
If you look up the national residential landlords association online (N R L A) then you’ll find their website. Become a member and then you’ll be able to see the training courses that they offer. They’re comprehensive and will cover every aspect of being a landlord.
not the same. I didn’t have a landlord license, and so didnt know the landlord rules
you do Know that even if you are not in a licencing area and are letting a property you still need an elec , certificate. (the same). I rest my case . Get some training . you ARE supposed to know the rules. and see if you can have the last word with the L/A .All the best..,
@Alison41 another option for training
As well as nrla another option for training
(Both this and nrla accreditation may get you discounts on licensing application costs in London councils)
Other good resources
Source: The Independent Landlord The Independent Landlord | Support for the private rented sector
Source: The Landlord Law Blog The Landlord Law Blog - Home Page
https://www.property118.com/ (bit ranty esp comments)
Source: Rocket Lawyer Free Lease Variation | Template & FAQs - Rocket Lawyer UK
Other associations
Thanks for your input. All the best Colin
Thanks David, helpful as ever.
Ray12, this is all incredibly helpful, especially the codes and what they mean. I shall bear this in mind when talking to my sparkie.
Yes, I have a modern fusebox, that was installed by the same guy 4 years ago. He also looked at the downlighting 2 years ago, where I did have some issues (mentioned above), so they should be good too. The rest of your list of switch covers, lighting pendants and socket boxes were also changed fairly recently during re-decoration.
Q: What do you mean ’ up to date regulations, the18th’..? Is ‘18th’ a typo?
Thank you again
Looks like you have it all sorted with your regular electrician. 18th Edition Regulations are the most up to date electrical regs, came out in 2018 with some ammendments since for Electric Vehicle power supplies. Edition 1 was published in 1882 !!
Having had regular oversight of the electrics you perhaps will have no or minimal pickups which he/she can do on the day. A brilliant result all being well.
A lot of new LL get tied up in knots thinking a property is good to get rented then get hit with the enormous bill for remedials to make safe and up to date. £2000-£4000 sometimes.
Good luck.
You would have had / should have had a written report at that time for a major upgrade like a Consumer Unit / Fuse Board, giving a health check, perhaps by pdf email.
A new fusebox should also have been notified to.building control at council. If electrician is registered he should have done but not all are or do this. You should have receing building control compliance certificate.
Failure to have building control compliance certificate can invalidate your insurance and lead to a substantial fine. Another case of not knowing the rules not being a defense.
You go in with the electrician. You will learn about the process