Thought I bump this up as the hearing for Jasmine’s Law is tomorrow for a second hearing.
I already wrote to my MP for South Leeds in support of the bill. While I do understand that landlords will have to deal with their property damages and support government having schemes in place to help subsidise pet cost damages, I don’t think the needs of the landlord outweighs their contribution to an increase in pet shelters, disregard for the tenant’s family (which pets are family, not objects or property) and harming the mental health in which pets help out heavily with management.
I do think the government should help landlords out with pet damages in some form. However, landlord exclaiming about damages when children causes as much damage, if not more so than pets, makes me question why some of you landlords enforce no children policies.
Well Jordan, As a Landlord all I can say is that I sincerely hope you fail!
I don’t and won’t allow pets in my properties with all the destruction and hassle they can cause. This is the general feeling of most Landlords! Why should I have all the problems associated with damage and remedial work when I don’t have that now???
What you fail to recognise is that the property doesn’t belong to you and you have no right to dictate who lives in it. The Landlord claims that right through the terms and conditions contained within the tenancy agreement.
Also, in the rare instance that a Landlord make provision for an animal in his property I see that your omitting to mention that the Tenant on leaving would have to replace ALL floor coverings at their cost and expense an extremely deep clean as the next Tenant may have allergies and a number of applicants may not entertain a home where pets have previously occupied which could lead to a property being vacant longer.
It’s a fact that where one animal is allowed it leads to another and before long the property takes on the resemblance of an ark of several animals which increases the hassle, problems and issues to the Landlord!
Once again Jordan, these are private houses. If you want to campaign for Landlords to include housing for pets then I would suggest you contact Battersy Dogs home where they prioritise housing pets. Perhaps they may even find room to accommodate you too
In reality, tenancy clauses with an outright ban on all pets have been considered unfair by courts for years under consumer rights legislation. Any clause has to be qualified with something like “… without the landlords specific consent which will not be unreasonably withheld”. There is not a shortage of good reasons why landlords would not allow pets so it doesn’t really change anything.
I had bad experience in past and I would not take. There are a few idiot tenant where once I was told by tenant who live to have a snake as a pet. I told him to find a place somewhere else as I would not allow.
I find it really selfish of people to have pets cats and dogs in flats and that really unfair and cruel.
I have seen people who have cats go to work and some of the cats wondering in corridors.
There are some developments were they donot allow pets in the lease.
The pet policy abroad is entirely up to those countries. I live in the UK and all my properties are in the UK.
My properties belong to me.
I choose who I want to live in my properties
I do not wish to share any of my properties with unauthorised pets
I don’t wish to use a “government modelled tenancy agreement, I wish to use my own documentation which clearly states no pets belonging to the tenants, visitors or relatives of tenants are allowed on or in the property at any time or for any reason.
I think that’s enough valid reasons for not accommodating animals. However I’m sure I could add more to the list if necessary. But simply stating “No Pets” should be sufficient for most people to understand.
That’s one way of continuing the landlord stereotype. I may be rude, but… you’re definitely the stereotype.
Of multiple reasons, which I will state.
The second highest reasons why cats and dogs are in homeless shelter is because of unfair pet policies. Tenants are forced to give up what they considered family. Just saying, you are part of the problem for why animal shelters are overpopulated.
This is research done, and it can be found in various animal charities including cat.org, but out of the landlords that did allow pets in their property, only 18% experienced damages. Landlords who expressed concern of damages to their property either believed in what other landlords say or chalk up one bad experience and just banned pets outright.
The housing market is vastly expensive. Wages are at stagnation. Mental Health is pivitol and pets are one of the best ways in managing that. No pet policies are actually discriminatory in nature.
Let’s say if I own a property and you’re a tenant. You decided to bring your children. I don’t want your children because they cause damages to the property. How would you feel in that case>?
And that is your property. However, I don’t believe landlords should have full right to dictate what a tenant does with the property that impedes on their individual liberty. Sorry, but being a landlord is not a noble job, but one of being parasitic in nature.
Oh, you mean that lovely agreement I signed when I rented my property to have pets in my house? Oh wow, that actually solves a lot of problems. I took on cats in my house at the permission of my landlord (or agency) on the basis that when I move out, I do a deep clean. And that is money I’m willing to spend.
I mean, have you ever considered interviewing the tenants and their pets to show they are well, capable of behaving? Or are you sullying it based on your own experience because you’re incompetent to pick out good tenants?
I mean, what is it, Geoff?
Also, I’ve rented properties that had pets in them and I have spoken to numerous landlords about their experiences with pets. One told me it wasn’t the damages that was the concern, but rather the noises they cause for neighbours and potential litigation problems. This is anecdotal. But I prefer stats.
Do you have any stats for that? Or is this anecdotal?
I believe that working with charities are not enough and that there needs to be sweeping legislation where landlords HAVE to prove their property is not suitable for pets. Shared House accommodations, fair enough. A family home where you’re responsible for all the bills and your own furniture? Not really.
I try to be sympathetic towards landlord’s issues, but between the housing market, pets being abandoned in shetlers and deterioration of mental health amongst families, I’m not exactly sympathetic, especially towards career landlords.
So I’ll state that I hope you do fail, Geoff. You’re a douche. End of story.
Geoff we all know your stance on pets - no need to bang on. My stance is different - I think more landlords should allow them, and I would support legislation to encourage that fairly. We differ on this opinion, I hope you can live with that.
Lot of envy in some of the above long winded statements I will bet that people who say landlords are parasites believe that all property is theft . ! and theft implies it belongs to someone . Tenants can be parasites also, not wanting to pay a rent. I have lost track of the homes (owned) that i have worked in and they smell of dog or cat. I hope some of these people fail also. . As a business owner , landlord , and joiner I have not failed , thru choosing good customers and good tenants without pets
Tenants can be parasitic too. Again, it is about having the interview process to check whether these tenants are good people to have. There’s nothing stopping having an honest conversation with tenants and ensuring conditions in place.
Again, I find it hypocritical of landlords to complain about pet damages, but never ever considered poor parents of naughty children.
Why is it that banning pets is justified, but not children as an example?
i have had tenants with young children but I will not do so again. They are not disciplined the way I brought my kids up. there ARE many bad parents and they do not even know it… An honest conversation with tenants is not always possible out of 36 applicants for a flat of mine 75% lied. You think it is easy to check on tenants ? I get 36 applcants , say it takes half a day to go to see them , see if their dog smells ,see if the kids behave , check their finance , check current landlord, check with employer. .It would take me 18 working days to give all a fair chance. Not possible , cut out certain sections first, job done.
Lots of landlords do not want children and the extra damage they cause which is why they stick to one/two bed properties and advertise for professional, childless adults.
Unfortunately for us, we had parasites for tenants, none appreciating a new, immaculate home and a landlord who wanted to maintain it to this high standard (we had great trouble gaining access for this) and took advantage of our good nature and generosity and treated it as a weakness to be exploited.
It’s the hardest, thankless, and least gratifying job I have ever had the misfortune of doing and I take my hat off to all who are still flogging on against all the odds.
We have encountered greedy, unappreciative, ungrateful, entitled, lying, jealous, intimidating and manipulative tenants who have shown no regard for anyone else’s property, rights or well being and who destroyed my faith in human nature. And ours certainly were not the worse! That is the frightening thing.
We all try and pick well but some people are well versed and convincing in manipulation and conning techniques.
We left at a loss with dangerously ill health.
How do you think they feel when their lifetime work is trashed to pieces and their livelihoods destroyed when they have stuck religiously to their side of the bargain whilst the other side break every term they agreed to. Landlords suffer with mental health too you know.
I agree as a dog owner, that it is sad that it has come to this, but all the while tenants refuse to make good damage and the law is unfair and biased towards landlords with an honest claim to make good their property, this is only going to get worse.
Why on earth would a landlord with a trashed house want to keep repeating the traumatic experience in the hope it would be a different story next time?
You need to try and imagine the boot on the other foot.
To suggest I’m a “douch” is big coming from you. Jordan the only liberty taking individual is yourself. I wouldnt dictate to you regarding your choice of car or the holidays you choose or any of your possessions or indeed how you spend your money.
The fact that people who invest in pets should have their OWN property to house the animal.
Why should I be responsible for providing a home to a pet that YOU chose to have ? Your it’s guardian so go provide for it without expecting Landlords to pick up the slack on your personal desire to own an animal!!
I don’t want animals covering my gardens in crap that tenants always promise to clean up but in reality once the property is handed over the promises made are soon forgot.
I don’t want frustrated neighbours ringing me at all hours because my tenants dog constantly barks!!
I don’t want to have the endless argument over pet management and damage and it’s not wear and tear!
I don’t want to play host to the vile odour of cat urine
In any of my properties where the tenant may leave and saddle me with sorting a problem they have created.
Most tenant couples work and think its fine to leave the animal alone in a rented property for up to eight hours. This is not an acceptable practice.
We are not allowed to take additional deposit by law and the current Max deposit is only five weeks rent which is in my opinion an insufficient amount without a pet. There then evolves another problem in getting the reluctant tenant to pay any shortfall for damage.
I don’t really care what the negative stats may be on keeping a pet in a rented property, the fact remains it’s simply not your house and it’s absolutely wrong to expect a property owner to house an animal that you alone chose to own.
I personally will resist any application that includes pets and as we are allowed to charge what we choose on “new tenancies” I can assure you that should I be forced to offer a tenancy including an animal the rent will be higher than what London landlord’s currently charge.
Hi James, yes of course I can live with your stance on pets even though your in a minority as the majority of LLs including myself won’t entertain it. It’s all down to personal choice and probably the fact that a privilege few have spoilt it for almost everyone
Jordan, I’ve just re-read your post. You really do have a terrible attitude problem and as a tenant your not doing yourself or your case any real favours. I certainly wouldn’t offer you a tenancy and thats without the flamin dog!!
"Goverment help the landlord out with pet damages " ? you are in cloud cuckoo land. Are you taking medication? The goverment cannot help homeless people or provide enough social housing, or control the illegal breeding of dogs.
Jordan. Your language tells me you are a tenant from hell . Did I see you on the program? I have just seen what you posted and then withdrew. You called Geoff a cunt." Shelters are overpopulated because of landlords" you said… Shelters are full because some do not doctor their pets, or buy pets that they cannot then look after. You are not quite right Upstairs . We are all entitled to an opinion. Landlords have put £1000 s into providing homes THEY decide who will go in them. Its not you or the goverment who will force us to do it, WE WILL choose
